Legislature(1995 - 1996)

02/14/1996 03:45 PM Senate RES

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          SCR 24 REESTABLISH ADFG DIVISION OF GAME                         
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN LEMAN  called the Senate Resources Committee meeting to             
 order at 3:45 p.m. and announced  SCR 24  to be up for consideration.         
                                                                               
 MARILYN WILSON, Legislative Aide to Senator Sharp, said that SCR 24           
 is a request by the legislature to the Governor to change the name            
 Division of Wildlife Conservation back to the division's former               
 name, Division of Game.  This change in name has fragmented the               
 Division's mission into many sections, many with opposing goals.              
 The Division's resources have been redirected toward benefiting               
 non-hunters, gathering and manipulation of public opinion for non-            
 users benefits, and virtually abandoning Alaska's game resource for           
 abundance.                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. KEN TAYLOR, Deputy Director, Division of Wildlife, said his               
 Division has a constitutional and statutory responsibility for                
 managing 521 wildlife species in Alaska.  Of these, about 70 are              
 classified as game and their name was changed in 1989 to better               
 reflect their responsibility.  During the past seven years the                
 Division developed its first mission statement which is to conserve           
 and enhance Alaska's wildlife and to provide for a wide range of              
 uses for the greatest benefit of current and future generations of            
 people.  They believe this statement accurately reflects their                
 responsibility to the Alaskan public.                                         
 Contrary to this resolution, he said, there is nothing fragmented             
 about their objectives and goals or their development process.                
 Their Division budget is spent primarily on management of hunted              
 species.  They also track federal actions related to access,                  
 easements, unwarranted closures, and numerous other issues that               
 have not been in the best interests of Alaska's hunters and                   
 trappers and filing countless protests and appeals when federal               
 actions violate their own laws.                                               
                                                                               
 Only about 4.5 percent of their budget is spent on programs that              
 might be perceived as not directly benefiting hunters such as                 
 viewing programs or a non-game program which focuses chiefly on               
 conservation of endangered species for which they have statutory              
 mandates.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Out of their 180 employees in the Division, there are five that               
 work on non-consumptive use programs.  Until very recently these              
 programs were funded through the general fund and they are                    
 currently working on a national initiative sponsored by the                   
 international association of fish and wildlife agencies to draft              
 and introduce legislation to Congress which would establish                   
 alternative federal funding sources for these programs for which              
 there is a great deal of support in Alaska.                                   
                                                                               
 Many hunters and trappers do not feel it is fair that they should             
 foot the entire bill for the Division of Wildlife Conservation or             
 for wildlife conservation programs in Alaska and support taxing               
 other user groups in an equitable manner.                                     
                                                                               
 The Department's opposition to this resolution is directed                    
 primarily to the numerous inaccuracies found the preamble                     
 statements that, if it were to pass the legislature, would be                 
 devastating to the self esteem and moral of Division personnel and            
 would not further the interests of consumptive users in Alaska.  In           
 the greater scheme of things, their name doesn't make much                    
 difference.  Their constitutional mandates aren't going to change.            
                                                                               
 Number 127                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN asked him if he could identify the inaccuracies.  MR.           
 TAYLOR said the second, third, and fifth WHEREAS' were inaccurate             
 and untrue. He believed all of their programs in one way or another           
 do benefit hunters, trappers, and sport fishermen with the                    
 exception, possibly being the Marine Mammals Program which was                
 funded under general funds for many years, but was recently                   
 changed.  Alaska has a very strong interest in how marine mammals             
 are managed.  He did not think Alaskans would want the federal                
 government to represent Alaska's interest in the management of                
 marine mammals, particularly with sea lions being so close to being           
 listed on the endangered species list.                                        
                                                                               
 SENATOR HALFORD admitted that probably a much smaller number of               
 dollars than millions was used for purposes other than what was               
 mandated.  He also thought the mission of the ADF&G had been not              
 blurred, but redefined, because that's really what happened.                  
                                                                               
 MR. TAYLOR replied that their constitutional mandate is to manage             
 Alaska's wildlife, not just game.  While there has been more                  
 development of viewing areas and other non-consumptive uses over              
 the past several years, that's been in response to public demand.             
 It has changed, but he didn't think it had blurred their mission as           
 a division.                                                                   
                                                                               
 SENATOR HALFORD said he thought there was a conflict in the                   
 statutes, because on one hand their obligation is to all species              
 and on the other hand their funding mechanism is limited to the               
 funds generated by the consumptive uses.  There is still something            
 wrong and if the resolution can more accurately reflect that, it              
 should do that.  The message is that the people who are paying the            
 bill are not satisfied with the allocation of their resource                  
 dollars.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 222                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. TAYLOR agreed that there was a conflict, but they have been               
 struggling to deal with that ever since they lost their general               
 funds which was after FY95.                                                   
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN said he hoped they could work together to have the              
 resolution more accurate reflect the issues by next Monday and set            
 it aside.                                                                     
                                                                               
 ED GRASSER, Alaska Outdoor Council, supported the resolution,                 
 although he agreed with the Department on the accuracy in some of             
 the WHEREAS clauses.  He believed that management goals within the            
 Division had been redefined.  He thought there was a lack of                  
 professionalism in certain areas, like the McNeil River Refuge.               
 Hunting took place for years along side the viewing opportunity and           
 then all of a sudden it became a problem; not a biological problem            
 or a conflict between two user groups.                                        
                                                                               
 One of the statements in support of closing the refuge that the               
 Department made was that it could do nothing to correct the public            
 perception of tame bears being shot.  Their perception is that                
 while wildlife conservation may be what the Division does, and                
 their is a constitutional mandate for them to manage wildlife, but            
 the intent of the meaning of sustained yield is explicit in the               
 constitution.  It says that the sustained yield concept meant high            
 human harvest.                                                                
                                                                               
 SENATOR HALFORD commented that they might have two Divisions, the             
 Division of Game and the Division of Wildlife Conservation, one of            
 which is funded by the support of consumptive users, the other of             
 which has no money.                                                           
 MR. GRASSER said his group voted to oppose the diversity funding              
 initiative, because they are concerned about the increased amount             
 of money that will come out of their pockets, because most of the             
 items they are targeting for taxation are items that hunters and              
 fishermen purchase and its going to be used for the other category            
 of users.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 307                                                                    
                                                                               
 PETER SHEPERD supported SCR 24.  He said he worked as an ADF&G                
 biologist in 1960 and retired in 1981 and he had years of                     
 experience in Alaska with the Fish and Wildlife Service.  He tried            
 to do his best for the resource and for the hunting public.  At the           
 same time, he realized that with a proactive management program               
 including environmental factors, their efforts would benefit the              
 non-consumptive public.  He agrees that the Division of Wildlife's            
 mission has distinctly changed from one of active management to a             
 biocentric oriented passive mode.  Most people associated                     
 conservation with preservation with the concept that the best way             
 to preserve nature is to leave it alone.  Most scientists believe             
 that to leave nature alone, is to invite a torrent of change.                 
 Nature cannot manage animal populations, but we can by the most               
 scientific means possible.                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 352                                                                    
                                                                               
 BUD BURRIS, Fairbanks, said he graduated from college with a degree           
 in game management and in 1961 he worked as a biologist for ADF&G.            
 He worked with enlarging bag limits and lengthening hunting season            
 and did things like transplant game populations and managed                   
 wildlife populations in many areas.  He disagreed with Mr. Taylor             
 in that the Department is currently effectively managing any of the           
 more than 500 species of wildlife.                                            
                                                                               
 To correct that the federal government has regained management                
 authority over waterfowl, dinky birds, marine mammals, seabirds,              
 eagles, hawks, owls, ravens, crows, and many others.  The federal             
 government has usurped State management authority on all species in           
 parks and monuments.                                                          
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN thanked everyone for their testimony and said SCR 24            
 would be held in Committee for further work.                                  

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